9/11 loose change vid - Tuner-Junction

NismoCoupe · #1 (**permalink**) April 26th, 2006, 04:14 PM

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...q=loose+change

ok i ask you this, dont get all omg ur gunna believe this one persons opinion about this your an idiot. well lets think abuot it, what we know abuot the 9/11 is what the news told us. so how are we gunna base our opinions on the news deliverance of this? whats to say that wasnt taitned? i just look at it as 2 sides to a story. and this story backs up its findings pretty damn well. just raises alot of flags that really were never answered.

and all this has brought us to today and the world we live. i think what we have now is ridiculous. terror levels and gas and war, its all a way of life now that the masses have turned to and now live by,

and so u dont think im a dueche and just playin this side i will even give u more information on the other sides views
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/pages/..._evidence.html

discuss
(its a slow day so might as well have a good one)

njn63 · #2 (**permalink**) April 26th, 2006, 04:34 PM

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and this story backs up its findings pretty damn well.

Go back through and look at the sources again and listen closely, he didn't back anything up and jumps to conclusions way too quickly. I agree there is questions, but when you're jumping from one person talking about steel being weakened by fire to someone talking about how steel can't melt you really hurt your case. Steel can be weakened by heat without getting it to it's melting point, everyone that has ever used a torch knows this.

This is a well written article by highly qualified people about the Twin Towers collapse: http://www.tms.org/pubs/journals/JOM...agar-0112.html

As far as i'm concerned, the Twin Towers is an open and shut case. I believe the link i just posted word for word is most likely what happened.

The pentagon and other buildings, i have a few questions but there is so little information there that he's playing on it. I really really doubt the govt is stupid enough to use a blackhawk to fire a missle into the side of a building in front of a major highway at rush hour. Common sense goes a long way on that one.

My opinion on that video is he uses a lot of hearsay to jump to conclusions so fast that people forget to think about how crazy it sounds. I mean, basing an entire theory on 2 things people might of seen and an annoymous email? With that much backing i can create theories that CRX's run 8's with a 50 shot of nitrous.

NismoCoupe · #3 (**permalink**) April 26th, 2006, 05:59 PM

well to flip it though what true backing is there for the other side of the story? wheres the evidence about the pentagon?

but seriously though, theirs a lot of coinsidences that are a lil to perfect timing to just be coinsidences. but theres no way the government was utterly clueless about.

but the pentagon issues there is soo many things that are not clear and 100% thats what it is. you know. and a lot ofthings were covered up quickly that just makes it suspicous. im not saying i fully believe it, i just question somethings. i never base my opinion off of events on what the media tells me or what others say.

njn63 · #4 (**permalink**) April 26th, 2006, 06:59 PM

oh i agree. There is still stuff coming out about Flight 93 and other things that happened that day. I should dig up my old response about this video with stuff that didn't add up. Most of the black boxes were found, i know that. In that trial that was just going on they had the transcript from Flight 93 which if i remember right was claimed not to exist by that video.

It also doesn't help if you do research on Alex Jones and realize his views on other things. He's... out there.

NismoCoupe · #5 (**permalink**) April 26th, 2006, 09:05 PM

most revolutionary ppl are viewed to be out there

imagine teling ignorant ppl the world is round? u know how crazy he must of sound, but it was true

njn63 · #6 (**permalink**) April 26th, 2006, 09:25 PM

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most revolutionary ppl are viewed to be out there

imagine teling ignorant ppl the world is round? u know how crazy he must of sound, but it was true

completely different circumstances. We're not talking about scientific theories, we're talking about conspiracy theories on what is happening inside the government.

here, i wrote this a while ago when i first watched the movie:

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Questions:

Concerning all the "coincidences" regarding The World Trade Center and terrorism documents, are we all forgetting that it was already bombed once? And was a known target?

What was the point of all the put options stuff? That people knew it was going to happen? How does that incriminate the govt?

"3 F-16's from Washington's national guard are flown 180 nautical miles away for a training mission in North Carolina. This left fourteen fighter jets to protect tht entire United States." -North Carolina is in the United States.

Pentagon.. i have no opinion. I have my own questions on that. The only thing that i'm skeptical of is stories like "it was a military helicopter." I'm sure they'd hit the side that faces a major highway if they were going to use a helicopter.

All the "explosion" quotes: Duh, when a plane hits a building it's going to be similar to a missle.

"Silvery flash" -That picture sure looked more yellow than silver to me. There was also no silvery flash in the 5 frames released.

"2nd explosion" -Building collapsing?

Twin Towers-
"first two buildings in history to collapse due to fire" (i just assume he means steel buildings) -No, they were the first buildings in history to be structurally damaged and then subjected to fire. Also, warehouses come down all the time in fires. And none of those examples were constructed in the style of the Twin Towers.

-Go to 30:40 and watch very closely. The columns bow out and snap right before it starts colapsing which reinforces every theory i've heard concerning the Twin Towers (see link below).

-The south tower collapses first (despite being hit second) because it was hit lower. More force over a structural weakness=more damage quicker.

-"freefall"- You aren't going to stop that building from collapsing after it starts. The forces invovled are immense.

-The quotes were from a guy that is Vice President for research at an Institute of Mining and Technology. Great source.

-"fire weakened the steel"-Hyman Brown (Civil Engineering Professor)
"we can all agree that it would not be hot enough to melt even untreated steel"-Kevin Ryan (Underwritters lab)
He said 'weakened', not melted. Steel doesn't have to be melted to be weakened. And i like how he made that jump that Ryan's testimony contradicts "so called experts" testimony but he still uses it as a source.

-"explosions, explosions" I know I know what a 110 story building coming down SHOULD sound like. I've heard frames snap and it was not quiet.. and that's thin chromoly. I can only imagine what structural steel sounds like.

-"explosions bursting during collapse"- because it couldn't just be dust being pushed out of broken windows. And explosions are normally flashes, not a constant light.

-"all of the steel was shipping off to steel yards overseas before it could be inspected" -No, it wasn't. I've seen videos where they showed the "L" brackets that were ripped off the columns and there were mountains of steel beams behind them.
pictures of steel beams from the WTC being inventoried: http://www.twin-towers.net/steel.htm

Flight 93
-There were a lot of holes and assumptions. A contradictory email (that was annonymous?) was instantly taken as the truth and 1 passangers account as gospel.
-'found passport'- There is no explanation for this except that werid shit happens. A passport would of been much easier ejected from the collision than the flight data recorders. (correct me if i'm wrong, but aren't they stored in the tail of the aircraft?)
-'flight 93' black box- I actually just watched a show about Flight 93 where they spoke with the families. On the tape you could hear all the way until the plane crashed. I don't know where he got the "last 3 minutes were unaccounted for" story but the families interviewed that heard it said nothing of the sort.
-'cell phone calls'- In the documentry i saw the cell phone calls made were very short and broken up. I remember explicitly that one widdow said she got disconnected and tried to call back and got his voicemail.
-'project achilies' -almost all the long conversations that they talked about immediatly prior to this could of occured on air phones which do work. Not once did anyone mention a cell phone.

Random
-'gold under WTC'- I honestly have no idea what he was trying to prove. "If i would of gone back down that tunnel i would of been shot" Well no shit, you have no buisness near it and with the amount of money involved there they better have some armed guards.
-'any attempt to debunk the govts story gets rediculed'- Because the majority of claims are made by uneducated people that have no idea how or why the story adds up and have no buisness making any claims. There is a reason the majority of educated people don't question stuff like the Twin Towers collapse, and the link i'm about to post shows why.

Engineering behind the World Trade Center (Twin Towers) Collapse: http://www.tms.org/pubs/journals/JOM...agar-0112.html

I agree there are unanswered questions, but most of the ones in that documentry have been answered and are very weak.

KibaRUN · #7 (**permalink**) April 26th, 2006, 09:26 PM

i received these links in my Email about a week ago....i still ahvent watched them...but heard its an interesting watch

NismoCoupe · #8 (**permalink**) April 27th, 2006, 01:19 AM

i dunno man, im finishing up the whole video, its a pretty convincing arguement

but not much was really produced to truly prove what happened really happened. and they didnt really investigate to well. do u think they did?

again i dont 100% believe this video but man its very questionable though.
u cant honestly say that u think our government couldnt do this.

KevlarRUN · #9 (**permalink**) April 27th, 2006, 04:20 AM

u do realise that in a sequence of speach. reverse psychology will lure the most easily influenced of ppl.......

EyelessCRX · #10 (**permalink**) April 27th, 2006, 11:01 PM

Wasnt convinced at all. This is just some stupid ass wanting to get the attention of people in the us. He obviously just hates bush and the rest of the government officials. LOL. How do we know that the terrorists didnt pay him to make a video like this to cast doubt upon the us. Untill he shows me proof of where he got all of this info from im not convinced. I went to school no joke about 15 minutes away from the pentagon. There were a lot more witnesses saying that they saw a boeing than this stupid ass wants to let out. Unless he was standing in front of the pentagon that day, or closer than I was, I wont give him any credit what so ever.

SamHatesLag · #11 (**permalink**) April 27th, 2006, 11:15 PM

HAHA ATS!!! there are some trippy mofos on that board....havent looked at it for years

NismoCoupe · #12 (**permalink**) April 28th, 2006, 05:17 AM

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Originally Posted by EyelessCRX

Wasnt convinced at all. This is just some stupid ass wanting to get the attention of people in the us. He obviously just hates bush and the rest of the government officials. LOL. How do we know that the terrorists didnt pay him to make a video like this to cast doubt upon the us. Untill he shows me proof of where he got all of this info from im not convinced. I went to school no joke about 15 minutes away from the pentagon. There were a lot more witnesses saying that they saw a boeing than this stupid ass wants to let out. Unless he was standing in front of the pentagon that day, or closer than I was, I wont give him any credit what so ever.

i dunno man, where do u get ur info from? what source
the news? and u dont think in any way the government might have a slight bit of control over that?

EyelessCRX · #13 (**permalink**) April 28th, 2006, 01:13 PM

I am probably the most unpolitical person ever. I dont have resources and I sure as hell dont believe everything I see on the news. But this video seems like it was just put together with every little piece of bad infor he could find. I was going to school near the pentagon and I know for a fact that a plane hit that building. Screw this guy. Yes our goverment isnt the best and yes they do keep secrets from us. But honestly it wouldnt be smart for them to give us all this information. Once again im gonna say it this guy who made the video was just looking for every single little thing that he could make look the government bad. So untill he has actually video footage or real life evidence that our government killed there own people just to have a war then I might believe him.