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March 4th, 2006, 04:11 AM
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Cryogenic Treatment For Turbos
Cryongenic treatment, the treatment of metals at cryogenic temperatures of 300 degress Fahrenheit below zero, has been around for many years. To some its elusive and indefinable. To others, it's a godsend, a must do modification that's key to success. This widely varying opinion has to do with the proprietary nature of the cryogenic proscess. How the treatment is applied plays an important role in its effectiveness, which companies dont want out in the open...
Cryogenic temperature treatments close the grain structure, realign molecules and relieve stress on the parts. This produces stronger more abrasion resistant parts that should perform better and last longer.
When it comes to cryo and turbos, its all about stability and alignment. The turbochargers housing is the foundation of the turbocharger. After cryo-treatment it's relieved of stress and provides the stability to keep the inside of the turbo properly aligned. The exceedingly high temperatures during extreme use wont distort the housring an disrupt the alignment of the components. Cryo-treating the shaft, impeller, and bearings also improves service life of these vital pieces of the puzzle.
Turbo abuse is a terible thing. If you run your turbo hard this treatment may be a way to cheat physics of extreme heat and extend the life of your turbo.
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March 8th, 2006, 06:41 PM
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i've never heard of this before, but nice write-up 
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March 9th, 2006, 12:43 PM
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I use this process when I make superconducting thin films of metal. We cool the stage that a Silicon wafer is on using Liquid Nitrogen (-321* F) and then vapor deposit the metal onto the silicon wafer. The cool stage allows the metals grains to be very small and they align better (usually).
Edit for the original post - This is not cheating physics or chemistry, but realizing that the process originally used to make the turbo housing is a hot process and that the grains in the metal/alloy are rather large. By using this cryogenic process you will reduce the grain size since the metal will contract at such low temperatures, and find order.
 Just my scientific input to the topic.
This is also very good for engine blocks, pistons, rods, etc...anything that moves in the engine and that is exposed to extreme stress or heat.
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March 29th, 2006, 01:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Gotboost98
Cryongenic treatment, the treatment of metals at cryogenic temperatures of 300 degress Fahrenheit below zero, has been around for many years. To some its elusive and indefinable. To others, it's a godsend, a must do modification that's key to success. This widely varying opinion has to do with the proprietary nature of the cryogenic proscess. How the treatment is applied plays an important role in its effectiveness, which companies dont want out in the open...
Cryogenic temperature treatments close the grain structure, realign molecules and relieve stress on the parts. This produces stronger more abrasion resistant parts that should perform better and last longer.
When it comes to cryo and turbos, its all about stability and alignment. The turbochargers housing is the foundation of the turbocharger. After cryo-treatment it's relieved of stress and provides the stability to keep the inside of the turbo properly aligned. The exceedingly high temperatures during extreme use wont distort the housring an disrupt the alignment of the components. Cryo-treating the shaft, impeller, and bearings also improves service life of these vital pieces of the puzzle.
Turbo abuse is a terible thing. If you run your turbo hard this treatment may be a way to cheat physics of extreme heat and extend the life of your turbo.
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nice write up ben. you're gonna be mad though i'm looking at a car that you hate this weekend. and no it's not a DSM
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March 29th, 2006, 01:43 PM
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thats not the only thing you can cryotreat either, they have kits that keep your fuel rail cold as the gas enters the injectors, they have spray kits for intercoolers and air induction kits. its pretty cool.
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March 30th, 2006, 07:26 AM
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Originally Posted by WVUiMpOrTrAcEr
nice write up ben. you're gonna be mad though i'm looking at a car that you hate this weekend. and no it's not a DSM
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Im not going to be mad. 
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March 30th, 2006, 07:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Johnlude85
thats not the only thing you can cryotreat either, they have kits that keep your fuel rail cold as the gas enters the injectors, they have spray kits for intercoolers and air induction kits. its pretty cool.
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I know  but this is the turbo section and it was specificly what it can do for your turbo. You can cryo your block,trans etc. But the type your talking about is different thats for more hp. This is for strengthening.
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March 30th, 2006, 07:41 AM
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it starts with an S and rhymes with "are twenty Dee EE Tea" 
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March 30th, 2006, 07:15 PM
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I know  but this is the turbo section and it was specificly what it can do for your turbo. You can cryo your block,trans etc. But the type your talking about is different thats for more hp. This is for strengthening.
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tttttruuu...my bad 
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March 30th, 2006, 09:11 PM
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tttttruuu...my bad 
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Aww come on why are you rolling your eyes 
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March 30th, 2006, 09:14 PM
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Aww come on why are you rolling your eyes 
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lol...cause i made a mistake by not looking at the section the thread was posted in. dont take offense. maybe that smiley wasnt the best choice. 
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March 30th, 2006, 09:22 PM
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lol...cause i made a mistake by not looking at the section the thread was posted in. dont take offense. maybe that smiley wasnt the best choice. 
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Its cool, I was like whys he rolling his eyes at me. I understand now, no problems 
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March 30th, 2006, 09:23 PM
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Its cool, I was like whys he rolling his eyes at me. I understand now, no problems 
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lol, i wasnt rolling my eyes at you. you cant even see me! this is the internet  . i just threw up the rollseyes smiley cause i thought it fit my statememt...i didnt know it would cause this contrevorsey lol
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March 30th, 2006, 09:31 PM
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lol, i wasnt rolling my eyes at you. you cant even see me! this is the internet  . i just threw up the rollseyes smiley cause i thought it fit my statememt...i didnt know it would cause this contrevorsey lol
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lets just forget about it 
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August 6th, 2006, 08:28 PM
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I read an article about this in Popular Mechanics where they were talking about treating the turbos used in tractor pulling. They said that a non-treated turbo would only last about 6 pulls, whereas the treated turbo lasted somewhere around 300 pulls and counting. Does anyone know how much this costs?
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August 7th, 2006, 04:18 AM
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Its not that much just depends on the size of the turbo. Seriously, a turbo isnt that big of a item.....Its not stupid expensive. I had it done on the supras twins......If your serious about the life of your turbo. Cost wouldnt matter, lets just say its cheaper than a rebuild.
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August 7th, 2006, 10:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Gotboost98
Its not that much just depends on the size of the turbo. Seriously, a turbo isnt that big of a item.....Its not stupid expensive. I had it done on the supras twins......If your serious about the life of your turbo. Cost wouldnt matter, lets just say its cheaper than a rebuild.
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Know any good companies on the East coast?
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August 7th, 2006, 03:38 PM
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Know any good companies on the East coast?
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No my pal that runs his huge bike/car shop has stuff for the bikes done alot he knew some company and sent it off for me....... I j ust reinbursed him the money.....sorry........
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August 7th, 2006, 07:10 PM
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No my pal that runs his huge bike/car shop has stuff for the bikes done alot he knew some company and sent it off for me....... I j ust reinbursed him the money.....sorry........
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Its cool I was more curious than anything, for future reference.
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August 7th, 2006, 07:26 PM
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you have to have the turbo apart for this to be done...then you have to have it put back together.
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