ams - Tuner-Junction

loon · #1 (**permalink**) June 18th, 2006, 12:55 PM

http://media.ams-evo8.com/videos/amsevo/923run.wmv

njn63 · #2 (**permalink**) June 18th, 2006, 01:00 PM

it's in the video forum already

I'm not impressed though. I don't see why it takes them months to accomplish anything when setting up a car.

SilvStylin45s · #3 (**permalink**) June 18th, 2006, 05:32 PM

definately a nice car. Well built and im sure it will last through time.

njn63 · #4 (**permalink**) June 18th, 2006, 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by SilvStylin45s

definately a nice car. Well built and im sure it will last through time.

hahahaha, you do realize AMS built it right? Shit, it's already broke once this month.

ezeedee · #5 (**permalink**) June 26th, 2006, 12:45 PM

i heard that car died?

i heard they were dynoing it, hit 1000whp and then it blew a rod or something.

njn63 · #6 (**permalink**) June 26th, 2006, 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by ezeedee

i heard that car died?

i heard they were dynoing it, hit 1000whp and then it blew a rod or something.

i heard the same (on SHO) but Ivan at AMS claims it didn't. I doubt they'd admit it of course though.

It has broke the driveline at 2 straight events though. Buschar won the shootout last weekend and ran a ton of passes in the 9.6 range (including bye runs and runs before/after the event). This is the kind of stuff i like to see. Who cares how fast your car is when it's on the trailer before the first round?

njn63 · #7 (**permalink**) June 27th, 2006, 03:23 PM

i started a clusterfuck of a thread on supraforums by talking some shit. One good thing that came out of it was this post:

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Originally Posted by ams

THE FACTS.

1. You don't go fast right out of the box with no testing & development

2. Our car is no more a "drag monstrosity" than your car. I've seen your car many times, how about those headlights that you don't run, or the gutted doors, or the other lightening that you did? Stop telling people your car weighs 3200lbs, that's what a stock EVO weighs. Better yer, invest in a good set of scales and actually weigh the car yourself!! Actually wasn't it your car that had duct tape holding parts on it at this last event?

3. We did not take 750lbs out of our car, we honestly took about 125-150 lbs out of our car from last year.

4. We ran 150mph on 810whp last year and 156mph on 870whp. You can barely break the 150mph barrier with your supposed 940whp that you just made up because your ASSUMING that's what it will make! We are going 162mph on about 950whp (we're not running full wick yet buddy)

5. There is no dogbox in our car. I've already heard from other people that you're spreading the rumor that we have a dogbox. Maybe you should learn how to drive and you'll shift as fast as Eric.

6. How many Dynoflash parts do you design, develop, and sell? None, because you are building your car 'one off' for racing. Sorry my bad, other people are building your car for you.

7. We have a whole catalog of parts for the EVO. Every product has been developed and tested on our drag/race car. What this means is there was no time for racing the car since it's always on the dyno on on the lift getting parts fitted. We finally made if a mission to go the track seriously last fall. Did you see what happened? We went 9.6's, 9.5's. and then 9.4's. We ran the same motor all last year, we ran the same spark plugs even!! We had a running joke about how old the plugs where in the car and it runs so well we didn't even bother checking them.

8. Things that we broke: Transfer case, rear diff, 2 axles. And at the last event a tip of the stock cast iron valve guide broke off and went through the engine. It beat up the spark plug and went out the exhaust. The engine still ran but it beat up the valve seats. It's all getting fixed right now. The valve did not break off, nothing to hide here. Cast iron is brittle and the head that was on there was used with original guides.

9. Things we had problems with last year: Ignition box went bad, tuning and testing the car how to launch and shift it fast, boost control. I'm not giving anything else out, you figure it out how to go fast.

10. You ran one 9 second pass (9.97?) last year and then you ran mid 10's? It's a little harded on parts running low 9's than mid 10's

11. When you raced us at the WRX vs. EVO Shootout you played tree games. Unlike us, you used nitrous and where slower so you had to play games. It's called courtesy staging, but you wouldn't know anything about that. Eric was on the two-step for a launch and you just let him sit on it and waited, and waited until he let of and then lit the bulb. Eric bogged bad and with no nitrous (like you ran) the car was out of boost. Have you ever heard me say anything about this before? no! but when you try to rub it in our face I'm going to bring it up.

12. That's really a horrible excuse for when we beat you. You lifted? Why the hell would you lift when you tree'd us and where ahead (for the first 200ft)? Oh wait, the excuse you gave me last time was that the nitrous hit so hard that you hit the rev limiter and didn't realized what happened. First of all you supposedly only ran a 30 or 50 shot? if you did then it wouldn't "hit so hard". What really happened is that we let you leave because we had you covered by almost a second and when we passed you in second gear, you let off the gas.

13. You never broke last year? yah right, I won't bring anything up but don't lie and say you never broke and always finished and or won your races.

14. Don't start a tuning war, you won't like the ammo I have

15. We don't have an 18 man racing team. The 18 people here are busy making products, working on customers cars, answering phones, working on the website, ect. A few of us work on the race car and we usally do it on the weekend or at night, after we've taken care of the customers. Customers first!

16. We are not young loud mouths. You don't want to know how old Ivan is and I'm almost 33.

17. The guys that work on cars or make parts here come from a car background or have extensive experience. Up until a few years ago you where a lawyer who has never even seen a stand-alone. I have a mechanical engineering degree and had 5 years of Formula SAE experience with 2yrs of it being a team captain...that was back in the mid 90's.... The one thing you are good at is being very manipulative and extracting information from people for your own benefit....oh wait you're a lawyer. Or you used to be a liscenced lawyer, again I heard rumors but I won't spread them.

http://www.supraforums.com/forum/sho...&postcount=127

Original thread link: http://www.supraforums.com/forum/sho...d.php?t=371531

ezeedee · #8 (**permalink**) June 27th, 2006, 04:49 PM

who was that in response to?

their car is teh badass

Blake · #9 (**permalink**) June 27th, 2006, 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by njn63

i started a clusterfuck of a thread on supraforums by talking some shit. One good thing that came out of it was this post:

http://www.supraforums.com/forum/sho...&postcount=127

Original thread link: http://www.supraforums.com/forum/sho...d.php?t=371531

You sound like a jackass.

I think you need to build a 9 sec car before you get into arguments with people who are already there.

its a shop car, a drag car, and their testing/development car. Things break, shit happens, they build something better. Jesus i feel bad for even being associated with you right now.

ihatericers · #10 (**permalink**) June 28th, 2006, 09:11 AM

ams > .

njn63 · #11 (**permalink**) June 28th, 2006, 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Blake

You sound like a jackass.

I think you need to build a 9 sec car before you get into arguments with people who are already there.

its a shop car, a drag car, and their testing/development car. Things break, shit happens, they build something better. Jesus i feel bad for even being associated with you right now.

i do if you don't know my history with AMS or drag racing in general. I don't feel like writing a novel but i'll just tell you straight out that i'm not impressed with a car that make 3 runs in the 9 second range at a test and tune night after being broke consistantly. Their image on the internet and what i've seen in person are 2 very different things.

I said things of a similar nature as to what i said in that thread on H-T a while back and received a PM from Mase laughing and saying that everyone he's ever talked to at that shop didn't know anything.

That being said, a lot of their fab work looks to be good. The engineering behind it? Questionable, but the work itself looks to be good. I know one of the guys over there (i think Martin but i'm terrible with names) has a Engineering degree or was working on it. I just have never seen something original come out of that shop and really feel it's more follow the leader than innovation.

You need to remember though that i've grown up around 9 second cars. Our current drag car is actually the slowest one we've had with the exception of the 71 Demon and it run's 11.40-11.80's (depending on the weather). It's bracket racing though so running back to back 11.720 and 11.724 is far more important than throwing down a big number once. This is true racing, not a glory pass praying the car holds together. Pretty sure i could slap a 300 shot on my car and go run a few 11 second passes before blowing the motor, would anyone care? And how would that reflect on me if i owned a shop?

edit: Sorry that was kinda vaige. The yellow dragster ran 9.20-9.40's all day.

Nevermind the fact that AMS' Evo is the stereotypical import i hear about nonstop from my dad, the car that ran a mythical number somewhere someday but can't run even close to that number when you see it in person and then breaks 2 passes later.

Furthermore, i can go to the local track anyday and see cars running 9 seconds or less. I'm... decensitized to it kinda. Numbers don't impress me, well built cars that are in the winner's circle at the end of the day do. Buschar made a rediculous number of passes i hear on his drag evo at the shootout last weekend in the 9.6 range and his car is around 600 pounds heavier than AMS. That car has seen the track less than AMS and has no problems holding together. Oh, and he has a new trophy in his trophy case to show for it.

look, this is turning into the novel i didn't want to write.

loon · #12 (**permalink**) June 28th, 2006, 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by ihatericers

ams > .

i dunno, buschur is pretty nice too and i might have hook ups with them.

M.A.R.C. · #13 (**permalink**) June 28th, 2006, 03:32 PM

i like how everyone seems to think you can just throw money at a car and it won't break and will run crazy ass times....

ihatericers · #14 (**permalink**) June 28th, 2006, 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by loon

i dunno, buschur is pretty nice too and i might have hook ups with them.

true

buschur > livernois motorsports > katech > ams > *

njn63 · #15 (**permalink**) June 28th, 2006, 06:41 PM

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Originally Posted by loon

i dunno, buschur is pretty nice too and i might have hook ups with them.

after my last post i made i went and looked up some info on what happened at the shootout on the 18th. Buschur made 10 passes there, won the event, best pass of 9.62. Their car is almost full weight (3050 with driver if i remember right) with power windows and the works. They also have 60 passes on the car this year already. They're debating which road to take because there is no way to compete with AMS with the weight they're at but they also don't want to make a stripped down full race car. I personally am hoping they gut the thing.

M.A.R.C., i'm not saying things don't break on 9 second cars. But when you drive to Ohio and make 1 pass (9.13) and then break the car on the 2nd pass a week or two after you break the first qualifying pass at St Louis... yeah. This is just following what i saw last year of them never making it down the track besides a few times.

Not to talk shit, but i always find it amusing how people from thousands of miles away are so quick to defend a shop that is less than an hour from where i'm currently sitting. You think i might know a little more than you about it? I'm usually the first to defend a local shop if i feel they do quality work. I don't feel this is the case with AMS. Attack SP, straightline performance, race engineering, devo tuning, whip factory, white's pit stop, etc. and i'll be the first to jump up and tell you you're retarded because their cars perform and have performed everytime i've seen them. AMS' Evo has just been a massive disapointment everytime i've seen it roll up to the line.

M.A.R.C. · #16 (**permalink**) June 28th, 2006, 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by njn63

M.A.R.C., i'm not saying things don't break on 9 second cars. But when you drive to Ohio and make 1 pass (9.13) and then break the car on the 2nd pass a week or two after you break the first qualifying pass at St Louis... yeah. This is just following what i saw last year of them never making it down the track besides a few times.

i agree... but that's what i'm saying. power breaks stuff. they've made the ETs and hit the traps. why does someone always have to hate? if it doesn't impress you are you saying there's more out there that's faster AND more consistent AND doesn't break

njn63 · #17 (**permalink**) June 28th, 2006, 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by M.A.R.C.

i agree... but that's what i'm saying. power breaks stuff. they've made the ETs and hit the traps. why does someone always have to hate? if it doesn't impress you are you saying there's more out there that's faster AND more consistent AND doesn't break

I agree partially with what you're saying. They are pushing limits and are running fast times for an Evo. Thing is, they couldn't keep that car together in 9.60 trim and they just keep throwing more power at it.

And Shep is faster, more consistant and doesn't break. Buschur is slower (heavier), consistant and doesn't break and it paid off with a win at the shootout.

It's all in what they want though. Some people are content with a dyno queen. Some people want a test and tune night monster that throws down a fast pass once in a while. Some people want to win a championship. I personally think the last one is the most admirable, hardest, and shows who can build the best car as it isn't who's car can hold together for 1 8 second pass, it's who's car is consistantly fast every event.

KevlarRUN · #18 (**permalink**) June 28th, 2006, 08:23 PM

"14. Don't start a tuning war, you won't like the ammo I have"

seriously......no......i mean seriously......

one thing i fuckin hate about ppl is ppl's lack of professionalism. regardless of what u know or dont know. i hate this kinda crass fuckin nature.

for a person with a rep to maintain.....and a business to run. that is just pathetic.

truly pathetic. its almost telling me: "im dumb as fuck and lack an education, so ill choose a field where my stupidity can shine and i can feel smart/better than other ppl".....cmon, who else has been dicked by the tuner/workshop industry?

exactly, there's so many bottomfeeding motherfuckers out there it just shits me. and comments like that really dont fall far from the idiot tree.....

he brings shame upon the rest of the engineers

MechaniX_034 · #19 (**permalink**) June 29th, 2006, 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by KevlarRUN

"14. Don't start a tuning war, you won't like the ammo I have"

seriously......no......i mean seriously......

one thing i fuckin hate about ppl is ppl's lack of professionalism. regardless of what u know or dont know. i hate this kinda crass fuckin nature.

for a person with a rep to maintain.....and a business to run. that is just pathetic.

truly pathetic. its almost telling me: "im dumb as fuck and lack an education, so ill choose a field where my stupidity can shine and i can feel smart/better than other ppl".....cmon, who else has been dicked by the tuner/workshop industry?

exactly, there's so many bottomfeeding motherfuckers out there it just shits me. and comments like that really dont fall far from the idiot tree.....

he brings shame upon the rest of the engineers

Pretty much it unfortunately, I would rather go to a shop that puts out low-number machines but with staff that acts professionally to a tee. If a shop has put out one or two "hero cars," then they've put out one or two "hero cars." I wouldn't go to them, or I would pull my job out if they began bagging other garages without the ower of other said garage standing directly opposite, or making such satements.

SamHatesLag · #20 (**permalink**) June 29th, 2006, 07:40 PM

I think my grand exit from SHO happened when I made fun of this POS...big horsepower is always intense, but its silly in an evo