So Ive been doing some research on upgrading my brakes. I have a '90 Si so it already has the rotors in the rear. From what Ive seen you can get a adaptor kit to fit integra calipers, which are a little bit bigger and will work with an 11" rotor. Now is there any benifit to just upgrading to integra calipers? And are integra rotors larger than the crx rotors?

nick

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The teggy rear calipers are the same calipers as in the CRX, as a matter of fact they are the same part number. The rotors maybe larger, I'm not sure on that. Do yourself a favor and call Brian at Fast Brakes. You can get the kit I have if you need road course brakes I'm running (all from Fast Brakes) 11" VW Corrado rotors up front with teggy binders and in the rear brand new CRX/teggy calipers and 11" Nissan Maxima rotors. That's basically Fast Brakes 11" front and rear kit. I also have a 15/16 Honda master cylinder (that's from a 89-91 Civic 4dr EX). Running on the same track (Pocono North Course) my CRX now stops better than my 1998 NSX did

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You can see above they fill the 15" wheels perfectly

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I just went to napa and got the most expensive pads they had. I still have to put them on though.

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Good info. Now Im guessing that the 11" setup would not fit into a 14" rim though. What could I do for an upgrade that would fit in a 14" rim?

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Call Brian

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yea contact brian at faskbrakes and he will let you know all about it

well after doing my 11inch setup there are somethings you can do

to use 11inch rotors with your current calipers or integra calipers you will need to use the bracket (^^^pictured in jadkars post). I believe just the brackets alone (pair) for $100-200 and you will need to buy 2 (front and rear)

a different route is to purchase either 98+ ITR calipers, Legend calipers, NSX calipers which are all 2 piston calipers, or the 96+ vtec prelude calipers. I believe they all run the same bracket (nsx one is stamped 28T) and all you need to do is shim the bracket by 1/8" and you can basically bolt on the caliper and run 11inch rotors. So along with the 11inch rotors you got 2 piston calipers

(shimed bracket)

(caliper itself)

(ending result)


And as for the rear the only possible way is to run fastbrakes bracket.

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Just upgrading to the integra brakes will fit under some/most 14" rims. You go from like a 9.2" rotor to a 10.2, bigger calipers, and if you replace the booster and master cylinder with 91-93 integra LS stuffs, you get a 15/16 MC. If you don't mind putting a new fitting on your mc brake lines, you can even get the 1" MC from 90-92 teggys.

If you do the integra master cylinder, you HAVE to do the booster, as the flange is opposite ot the CRX. everything just bolts in place though.

91-93(some of the 90 ones were oddball) Integra knuckles
91-93 Calipers, pads, rotors

One thing I have noticed, when you swap the teggy knuckles onto the car, turning the wheels becomes a little easier. I believe the tie rod mounts further out, allowing you to easily apply more torque. Honestly, I love my brakes, and low speed maneuvers have never been easier.

All of this fits under a 14" wheel, because the integras came fromt he factory with 14's. I would make it a final note to get a spare tire from a 90-93 integra as well, because your CRX spare will no longer fit. If I need to, I'll do a writeup on the complete integra swap. But I'm sure you guys don't need it

Dave

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i plan to do exactly what d3f4ult is talking about, with the whole 91-93 setup. if you're not running an intensely modded car or tracking alot i think it should perform perfectly well.

Actually.. It handles hardcore abuse quite well. Mine is 4 wheel integra disc conversion, booster, master cylinder and proportioning valve. I recommend the complete bumper to bumper swap without a doubt though. It's amazing to say the least. Probably the BEST upgrade i've done on my car so far.

Dave

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Humm this is what I had in mind. My car isnt setup for the track so I dont need a real extensive brake setup, it will mostly be used straight line going down the 1/4mile. To make sure I have it correct, when you say the integra knuckles, basically you would be swaping out everything. The knuckle is what attachs to the upper and lower control arm via ball joints, correct? So technically I could go to the junk yard get the integra knuckle with calipers/rotors and everything attached and it would bolt right up to the crx control arms? That would be great, because then I could replace the ball joints/wheel bearings/rebuild the calipers etc without any down time...Then do the integra m/c, and some braided lines. Cool, and yea if you want to do a write up with pics and stuff, go for it. everyone loves pictures.

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Absolutely, My knuckles came froma junkyard. Actually the wheel bearings were still great. I don't believe I have changed them yet lol. Rebuild everything and slap it on. Don't forget if you do the teggy MC, you HAVE to put the teggy booster on the car. Thats not a bad thing, it makes the pedal effort so easy it isn't funny.

Seriously, I can drive my car RATHER vigorously, with my big toe now. lol

The writeup comes soon. I have to teg swap my boys car. Pictures to arrive then.

Also, you can get the rear trailing arms from a 91-93 teg, and swap them on as well.

Parts for rear:
Can of PB blast(trust me.. you will thank me later)
91-93 Integra rear trailing arms
poly bushings for 91-93 teg trailing arms(bigger than the crx TA bushings, and you might as well do this while it's out of the car)

91-93 teggy rotors, calipers
have the junkyard pull the entire ebrake cable as well, all the way from the interior. Otherwise you will have to buy 91 CRX si ebrake cables.

USE YOUR CRX LCA'S, CAMBER, and TOE pieces.

abs or non abs does not matter, you can remove the parts you don't need.

Like I said, full blown writeup with pics soon. But thats your parts list.

Dave

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I think Im going to do just the fronts first, it is an Si so it does have disc brakes in the rear, and seeing as how 70% of your braking is in the front brakes thats the most logical place to start. As time and money permits I will do the rear as well. There is still so much to be done with the car, the list will never end, but better brakes needs to be the first and for most. Oh and a local shop is having a dyno day this saturday, I might just have them strap Rexxy to the dyno and see what happens....I dont know, its in desprite need of tuning, its running way to rich, 10.5:1 a/f I can feel my power being held back it begs for more but is choking on too much fuel, and thats full throttle boosting 16psi. So tomorrow Ill be on the phone with Phearable to set up a tunning apointment, Ive finially gotten the bugs worked out so now It can be tuned...well all except code 9 for the cps sensor, that one still haunts me, but Im working on it. But saturday night I had the chance to take her out and open her up on the highway....woooweeee 3rd gear pull from 60mph to ooo i dunno my speedo stops at 120 and I buried it deep into the dash, my guess 135-140ish and it just kept wanting to pull, I think it would've easily hit 150+mph it felt great, but no more romping on it till its tuned hopefully the second week in may, till then maybe Ill start a thread for people to guess what the power numbers will be, I might even give out a $10 grand prize for who ever is the closest! lol

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So are the 96+ vtec calipers double piston as well??? I'm trying to do this setup, but trying to find which caliper will be the cheapest.. hehe...

Or i could just use the rotors off of my 94 integra since it's not running and most of the suspension in pieces or going on my 90 hatch...

Also, do you have to order the same brake pad for which ever caliper you use? Or will pads for the 91 EX 4dr work with any of these calipers?

Not really sure. Some of the other guys may know. I've just done the teggy swap on 3-4 crx's. So i know what you need and what to expect.

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I'm assuming that's how it works. Maybe take a trip to the junkyard tomorrow to see If i can find an integra or Legend.

I like the fastbrakes.com kit, but that's way out of my budget. I want to try and do this brake swap before july. And going this route will fit my budget seeing all the other things I need to do.

I was planning to run HP+ pads on my tiny civic rotors. With this type of upgrade and the car being a 90 civic, will HPS pads and good fluid be good, or would HP+ pads help any more than the HPS pads?

the pads you run are always matched to the caliper bracket not the caliper!
I will be posting this set up shortly with step by step photos and should have an 11" setup available cheaper than anything out there right now.
Followed by a 12" and 13" for running under 17" wheels

With higher performance pads, you're going to see more grip and the wheel will wobble more with hard braking. You're also going to run into brake fade more quickly (which you'll notice with small rotors). Personally, I'm a big fan of Hawk pads.

On my CRX (that I just sold today, actually) I had the Integra swap up front. The entire rear assembly is exactly the same with the exception of the ebrake cable. Rotors, pads, calipers, trailing arm bolt locations, etc.

The front just requires Integra knuckles (dust shields are a plus, if you find 'em), rotors, and calipers. The bolt pattern is the same, so they bolt right onto your existing 4x100 wheel hub, but the Integra caliper bolt locations are different from the CRX, requiring the Integra knuckles.

Integra knuckles throw off camber a little bit (personally, I say it's negligible, especially if you're lowered at all) which causes steering to feel a little more twitchy. I've got most of a writeup finished for my site, and it'll be posted officially soon.

D3f4ult, if you want to collaborate and just put together one all-inclusive writeup send me a PM.

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