I want to race a CRX - Tuner-Junction

Urlor J'kron · #1 (**permalink**) March 17th, 2007, 02:05 PM

I race in a 4 cylinder division at a quarter mile asphalt oval track. I'd like to race a CRX with a B16A in my division. The rules state that the motor must be stock for that model and year. (complete rules) I know that the B16A isn't stock in US models, but was put in European and Japanese models, so technically its still stock. The best thing for me to do would be get a shop manual that shows the B16A as being in the car. Officials want drivers to provide a shop manual for any car they race, so they can compare to check for cheating. I was wondering if anyone here knows where I can get my hands on one.

So now that thats out of the way I'll talk about my plans for the car.

I currently drive a '92 Eagle Talon that I plan to sell for $1000-$1200. That money is to pay for the conversion. So far the cheapest I've found is this. I'd be more than happy if anyone can help ease the burden on my wallet if they know of anywhere cheaper. I have a Plymouth Laser (parts car) that I plan to trade into a junkyard for a CRX body (or two). Plan to work on it this summer when school is out. Speaking of which I have to head to class now so If I forgot anything I'll post it later.

I'm looking forward to your responses.

njn63 · #2 (**permalink**) March 17th, 2007, 04:03 PM

here you go: CRX-UK Homepage

That's a link to download the european CRX workshop manual along with the VTEC supplement they put out when they released the B16A cars.

As far as places to source a motor, i'd stick with Specializing in JDM-USDM Engines & Parts...hmotorsonline.com A ton of people have dealt with them (i know for sure at least 3 on this forum alone) and they're the best at what they do.

88 rex · #3 (**permalink**) March 17th, 2007, 05:34 PM

Darn! I wish we had something like that close to me! I don't think I would pick the CRX though as my weapon of choice. I'd find a car with a little torque since you are on a short track. Those rules allow for some really cheap fun!!!! How about a nice beat up Ford Escort GT? Larger motor, decent car, and compact.

ALSO, the B16 won't be in stock location, which the rules say it must.

No AFTERMARKET ANYTHING! Wow!

Stock CRX Si, might not be too bad, especially once you've lightened the heck ouf of it.

A ZC bolts in the stock location...hmmmmm.

A_White_Gs-R · #4 (**permalink**) March 17th, 2007, 06:39 PM

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Originally Posted by 88 rex

ALSO, the B16 won't be in stock location, which the rules say it must.

No AFTERMARKET ANYTHING! Wow!

A ZC bolts in the stock location...hmmmmm.

IF he can prove that the engine doesnt matter where or what country came with that motor that is his loophole to that rule. It came stock in the euro one so if he can show them that manuel then he is gold.

njn63 · #5 (**permalink**) March 17th, 2007, 06:44 PM

it depends on what they mean by "stock position." The B16 bolts to the stock chassis mounts so it depends on their interpretation of the rule.

I'd probably talk to whoever tech's the cars and go over your plans before doing it. The rules are sorta vaige and it'd be a pain to come back after putting that much money into it and be told you can't even race the car.

Transparent · #6 (**permalink**) March 17th, 2007, 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by njn63

here you go: CRX-UK Homepage

That's a link to download the european CRX workshop manual along with the VTEC supplement they put out when they released the B16A cars.

As far as places to source a motor, i'd stick with Specializing in JDM-USDM Engines & Parts...hmotorsonline.com A ton of people have dealt with them (i know for sure at least 3 on this forum alone) and they're the best at what they do.

Ive dealt with hmotorsonline. good people there

d3f4ult · #7 (**permalink**) March 17th, 2007, 08:09 PM

No problems with Hmotors.. Steve is a KILLER dude. Got a trans that has a "SLIGHT" problem. He told me to keep it, and shipped me another one at no cost. Excellent customer service <3 Steve @ hmotorsonline.com

88 rex · #8 (**permalink**) March 17th, 2007, 09:04 PM

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Originally Posted by njn63

it depends on what they mean by "stock position." The B16 bolts to the stock chassis mounts so it depends on their interpretation of the rule.

I'd probably talk to whoever tech's the cars and go over your plans before doing it. The rules are sorta vaige and it'd be a pain to come back after putting that much money into it and be told you can't even race the car.

IMO, the position of the motor in swapped EF's is not the same as in EF8's so therefore it would would be illegal. Having a motor pushed farther back in the bay is an advantage. The intent of the rules also appears to be a low, VERY low, budget racing. Swapping appears to be illegal due to cost and rules enforcement. Although.........a ZC would be in the identical position and could be run as equivalent as any JDM version. Just a thought.

jadkar · #9 (**permalink**) March 17th, 2007, 10:03 PM

Plus I bet as soon as he starts blowing away people someones gonna get picky with the rules and point out that his engine never belonged in his particular chassis.

Urlor J'kron · #10 (**permalink**) March 18th, 2007, 01:26 AM

Well they split our division this year. So now all those Saturns are in the "Pro Buzz" class which is our upper 4-cylinder division. If I dominate I would just get moved up to that class. The rules read rather strict, but enforcement is very lax at the track. The past two weeks a 240SX has won in my division. I've been told he has 280 tread wear tires. 300 is the minimum. I know a guy who is running 200 tread wear on his car. Almost all the cars have hollowed catalytic converters, glasspack mufflers, and they come out the side. (Rules state stock exhaust.)

I haven't been able to race yet this year. I have a class on Saturday at the same time. Usually we have Friday night racing. My brother on the other hand has. He has a Saturn SL2 and hasn't been inspected at all. I managed to watch todays race and none of the buzz, my division, cars were inspected post race. I'll at least get my four wins in then move up to Pro Buzz.

Two of you mention ZC motors. Aren't those basically D series that were just sold in Japan? I was under the impression that there wasn't much of a difference in power.

I guess I could print that manual out. It would be nice if I could just order one.

The site mentioned for buying the parts for the swap is $400 cheaper.

They are currently out of stock, but I'm not buying until May anyways.

Thank you for all the information. I think I'll hang around and see what else I can learn.

njn63 · #11 (**permalink**) March 18th, 2007, 07:35 AM

ZC is about 130hp. If you get it i'd say you should definately swap to the ZC tranny as the short gearing probably would be a advantage (it's the shortest geared d-series tranny).

There is something with that transmission swap that i can't remember offhand that is different though. I just woke up, it'll probably come to me in a hour or so haha.

d3f4ult · #12 (**permalink**) March 18th, 2007, 02:07 PM

two options for the ZC tranny. There is a SOHC ZC tranny(hard to fucking find) and a DOHC ZC tranny(all over the place) The both require the use of a 90-93 integra halfshaft and axles. On a light note, that does get rid of some torquesteer

YAY! If anyone knows of a place to get a VERIFIED SOHC ZC Tranny, please let me know. Hmotors only has dohc ones.. and that sucks lol

Dave

njn63 · #13 (**permalink**) March 18th, 2007, 02:13 PM

the dohc zc trannys also have a 21 spline input shaft (like 88 CRX's) instead of the 20 spline (89-91) right?

d3f4ult · #14 (**permalink**) March 18th, 2007, 02:35 PM

no.. you can get them in either spline count. the two DOHC zc trannys i have are 20 splines.

d3f4ult · #15 (**permalink**) March 18th, 2007, 02:49 PM

someday... i won't be a wannabe.. c'mon 100! *sigh*