Summer Plans - Tuner-Junction

civicexcoupeman · #1 (**permalink**) March 8th, 2006, 10:15 AM

iight let me start off by saying honestly I have no clue what I want out of my ride. Ive put tons of thought into it and can't make my mind no matter what. Its driving me crazy.

Other info about the car:
*2000 Honda Civic EX coupe
*63-64k on it
*No warrenty
*Got it last July as my first ride. I bought it myself thus means I wouldnt sell it for anything because it means a lot too me. Also after getting it after a huge accident I had last year in my parents car. (obviously my insurance is high)
*Its a Auto

Current mods:

*AEM Short Ram intake
*Type-R grill
*DIY red guage needles
*DIY Lower bumper grill
*Integra GSR Front Strut Bar
*NRG Innovations Rear Strut Bar

Mods still need to be put on that I have (will be put on in summer)
*Megan Racing lower H-brace
*Megan Racing Stainless Steel 4-2-1 header
*POS rear lower Tie bar (have pivot points)
*Clear sidemarkers

Turbo project #1 (drag car)
CUSTOM TURBO
*Auto-Manual Coversion
*Bore the shit out it
*Sleave it
*Forged pistons and rods
*T3/t4 ->turbo
*toss the interior of the car

In that setup aiming for 300-400 whp outa my D16y8. Thought of doing a swap descided if i wanna turbo it why spend money on a swap? When the money I'll spend on swaping it i can use to turbo my current engine. Obviously Ill need to spend $ on a roll cage and other stuff needed to drag with that high HP.

Turbo project #2
*get a greddy, apexi or such turbo get around 200 whp or more. Turbo it for my own enjoyment
*toss the interior car or that could be a maybe

Turbo project #3
So here are a few senario's
*Swap a B16 or GSR (integra) engine and turbo it
*Swap a H22a (prelude) engine and turbo it
*Swap a TSX lower end and get a RSR-S top end with a Type-S tranny. And turbo it

Option 4-> AutoXing
*modify suspension

Im more for either option 1 or 2 of turboing the car then anything else.
Now heres my question:
This summer I have 2 options. Get a used Greddy Turbo for 600-700. Or finish the I/H/E set up in total with: AEM short ram intake, Megan racing stainless steel 4-2-1 header AND IN THE SUMMER GETTING Tanabe Super Hyper Medalion Catback.

The options are this just get the exhaust this summer and maybe get the car tinted and/or get front and rear type-r lips or a cam and wait till next year to start saving for turbo parts. After I have all the turbo parts on do the auto-manual conversion.

OR

Get the Greddy Turbo kit. Start off with a small turbo and eventually maybe eliminate turbo project #2 i listed. Though for this setup Ill need another exhaust also as well as fuel rail plus since I have a auto its not a certainty that the tranny will last. It would just be for my enjoyment

What I'm saying is if I ever what big #'s outa my car Im going to do the auto-manual conversion no question. Im not going to try to drag a Turbo AUTO EVER. If I want speed I need to do that conversion. I dont believe in "well build auto trannys can shift fast" or any shit like that.

civicexcoupeman · #2 (**permalink**) March 8th, 2006, 11:58 AM

BTW the T3 turbo even comes in kits for like 2k.
Might be a option i might think about rather then doing it from scratch examples:
http://motors.search.ebay.com/?from=...urbo+civic+kit

http://myweb.cableone.net/dave454/turboinstallpg1.htm

theCrimsonEK · #3 (**permalink**) March 8th, 2006, 12:39 PM

Nothing wrong with a kit. Makes things a little easier, especially if you dont have access to fab up some piping. Just make sure you use some good fuel management. Alot of stuff that comes with the kits isnt too great.

civicexcoupeman · #4 (**permalink**) March 8th, 2006, 03:41 PM

BTW if I get a Greddy kit or the t3 turbo kits and i dont at the time have a manual tranny. The Auto tranny wont last probually a year right? Or will adding a cooler help at all? I mean how much of a HP increase am i looking at from these kits. Since they dont have any fuel management systems? Nor it will be tunned

For example if I go with option 2 getting the cheapo greddy kit ill still have my auto at the time. If I like it the way it is ill keep it if not ill move up.

OR ill buy for maybe 100-200 more from ebay
a t3/t4 turbo kit
Keep it auto maybe for a year or so then ill start trying to increase the boost or boring it out. Then ill do the conversion.

street_accord94 · #5 (**permalink**) March 8th, 2006, 04:18 PM

please save yourself the trouble of coming up with these elaborate plans until you do some more research and decide where you want to go with your car...you won't need the intake or header if you would be running boost so they are wasted money, and running a turbo setup without fuel management and untuned is among the worst ideas ever if you're looking to keep the car for more than one rip through the gears. also, the auto wont last long under boost, even with a tranny cooler.

civicexcoupeman · #6 (**permalink**) March 8th, 2006, 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by street_accord94

please save yourself the trouble of coming up with these elaborate plans until you do some more research and decide where you want to go with your car...you won't need the intake or header if you would be running boost so they are wasted money, and running a turbo setup without fuel management and untuned is among the worst ideas ever if you're looking to keep the car for more than one rip through the gears. also, the auto wont last long under boost, even with a tranny cooler.

First off, I wasnt saying I wouldnt tune it EVER. I said the kits come without a fuel management system (not meaning i wouldnt get one for the car). Also what i probually didnt explain well is that as for tunning the car it wouldnt be right away after i put the turbo on itll be in a month or so.

I kno to have a turbo u need to tune it and get fuel management nothing new to me their.

I guess your right dude thx though their is a member of www.d-series.org who has been running his auto tranny for 2 years under 10 psi of boost with no problems and only now is doing the conversion

98CivicEK · #7 (**permalink**) March 8th, 2006, 06:26 PM

Whats up man. All i can say is building your car, especially if you don't have alot of money is a very wishy washy ordeal. You'll want one thing then another, i know i am still like that and i have the money to do whatever i want all at once. But it comes down to practicality, which i stumbled on when you decided to turbo the D16.

As for your tranny not holding up. It will be fine with like 4-5psi that comes with the stock greddy kit. Though yes it will give out very fast if you push it hard everywhere you go.

Keep us posted onhow everything goes over the summer. As will I on my head swap (damn money hasn't gotten here yet from the claim)

charliemopps24 · #8 (**permalink**) March 8th, 2006, 06:53 PM

In alot of kits, the "fuel management" consists of a rising rate fuel pressure regulator. Those things work, but at the same time they suck. Get a Greddy e-manage or an S200 seperate from the kit. without one of those, I wouldn't go past 6 psi. Forged pistons are a must if you wanna go up to 8 psi and with forged rods you could push 11 psi. After that the weak link becomes the fuel system and ignition, not the sleves. At higher boost, the spark can "blow" itself out. Hope I helped you with boost theory a little.

civicexcoupeman · #9 (**permalink**) March 8th, 2006, 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by charliemopps24

In alot of kits, the "fuel management" consists of a rising rate fuel pressure regulator. Those things work, but at the same time they suck. Get a Greddy e-manage or an S200 seperate from the kit. without one of those, I wouldn't go past 6 psi. Forged pistons are a must if you wanna go up to 8 psi and with forged rods you could push 11 psi. After that the weak link becomes the fuel system and ignition, not the sleves. At higher boost, the spark can "blow" itself out. Hope I helped you with boost theory a little.

Well I knew that. See if I got the t3/t4 kit or do a custom turbo with a t3/t4 with my d16y8...Ill need to get forged pistons and rods, bore it out, sleave it. etc to reach my drag car status in the extreme future of 300-400+ whp.

Realistically looking at what Ive just ranted and forced you guys to read I can see how you would see where I went off course. Im srry for making you read that BS. Now let me put things straight in a manner that makes sense.

This summer I will: Get the exhaust (complete the i/h/e setup) maybe get a header and then if i still got some other cash i wanna put into it get the car tinted 28% (legal in my state is 35% so its kinda close i wont be pulled over i dont think), Type-r front and rear lips

Now time to turn to reality. Next year get either kit prefferably the T3/T4 turbo kit cuz thats already most of my custom turbo kit but not all of it. But before I put it on also save money for the transmition conversion once I learn how to not stall the car rofl and am confortable driving manual. Ill save up once again and get a fuel management system such as Hondata. etc etc
Then once I dyno and add anything extra to it I want to increase the performance from that point ill drag it. By draging it ill need to probually follow the rules which will make me install a roll cage and a kill switch or wtev probually....But thats to worry about in the future

That sounds better doesnt it? Just a burst into reality...Thx guys

smbundy · #10 (**permalink**) March 8th, 2006, 08:31 PM

hey man .. are you going to change over from auto to stick?? that'd be what i was planning to do. (if you do want a stick shift car) secondly, this is my own opinion but, i would never turbo my only car yanno? or any car for that matter .. but it's just another headache if something goes wrong .. it's not like you can just take it to the dealer. you'd have to track down the person who installed it or find someone who knows about performance shit.

just my 2 cents. but do what you like. there's alot of ways you can go other than just slapping on a turbo.

Rhythm Kid · #11 (**permalink**) March 8th, 2006, 10:41 PM

Can i post my summer plans? .____.

smbundy · #12 (**permalink**) March 8th, 2006, 10:53 PM

please share with us ..

Rhythm Kid · #13 (**permalink**) March 8th, 2006, 11:04 PM

.....get new tires......

seriously...

scottigee · #14 (**permalink**) March 8th, 2006, 11:07 PM

I'm actually hoping that mine will be spring plans but we'll see how I do with my money.

Suspension
Leaning towards Koni Yellows and H&R sports
Comptech rear sway/tie combo (skunk2 for sale if anyone wants it)
SI front sway
Urethane bushing kit...all of 'em

Shoes
Gonna stay cheap with some 15x7 Rotas
Depends what comes in the package but I like the new Azenis

If I have more money...
Hasport B/EK mounts
patch up my exhaust (hole in the flex pipe)
SS brake lines
and a T-Shirt that says "I beat sloganish at Summit Point Raceway"