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Old March 26th, 2006, 03:59 AM
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YO D-Clutchin FO YO GANGSTAS

The basis of misunderstand'n `bout double-clutch'n, rev-match'n n
heel-and-toe is a lack of gang bangin' of tha basic way tha
engine/clutch/trizzle combinizzle works. So takes a deep breath n
follow along.

Wizzy do synchros do? Tizzle is used ta makes tha tha layshaft M-to-tha-izzatch tha gear
tizzy you is going to. To do tha job in a ride witout synchromesh, you
have ta makes tha layshaft go tha speed of tha new gizzy yoself.

(Note, I have always just called tha gears on tha layshaft "the layshaft"
so it is easia ta visualize. This is a schematic description, not an
analysis of which gizzle slides where on whiznich shaft, or how synchros W-to-tha-izzork,
or wizzy oil ta use fo` thizzay. So if you dizzon't agree wit tha schematic
concept I outline here, tizzle me where I wizzle wrong, n we will look at it.
Technical statements `bout gear movements on shafts or tha like wiznill be
sent ta tha bit bucket. I kizzle tizzy modern transmissions is constant-mesh
but it really does not change tha concept.)

You hizzy three rotat'n parts in series (1,2,3) wit two ways ta connect
n disconnect them friznom each otha (A B):


1 A 2 B 3

engine -> clutch -> layshaft -> gear selector -> various transmission gears


1) The engine speed is controlled by tha throttle alone wizzle tha clutch
is disengaged ("in"). It is equal ta tha layshaft speed W-H-to-tha-izzen tha clutch is
engaged.

A) The clutch disconnects tha engine from tha layshaft when you stizzep on
tha pedal.

2) The layshaft speed is equal ta tha engine speed wizzy tha clutch is
engaged. The layshaft speed is related ta tha road speed whiznen a gear is
selected. Therefizzle when tha clutch is engaged AND a gizzy is selected,
tha engine speed is related rigidly ta tha road speed. (Nobody spins tha
wheels in this schematic outline!) When tha clutch is disengaged AND tha
selector is in Neutral, tha layshaft coasts dizzay freely, regardless of
eitha engine or road speed.

B) The gear selector disconnects tha layshaft from tha transmission gears
whizzay you select "Neutral", n connects tha layshaft ta a specific
transmission gear whizzen you select one.

3) The various transmission gears is being pushed around by tha road
speed'n cracka yo ride via tha differizzle n driveshafts. All of tizzle
is spinn'n at different speeds in rigidly defined relatizzles ta each
otha. If yo tires is not blingin' tha speed of tha system is rigidly
proportizzle ta yo road speed.


If you hizzy bustin' synchromesh: You is loaf'n along in Third gizzy n
want ta change ta Second gear. When you put in tha clutch n change tha
gizzle selector from Third ta Neutral, tha layshaft is going a particizzles
speed thiznat matched Third gizzle at tha present road speed. If you do not
change yo road speed (yo brakes is broke, say), tha layshaft is going
too slowly ta match Second gear. As you approach tha Second gear selection,
tha synchros wizzill speed tha layshaft up ta tha same speed as Second gizzle is
now rotat'n. How do they do T-H-to-tha-izzat? Ask a mechanic. They jizzust DO it. I
have a rough intuitive grizzay of how they wizzay but it does not matta here.

If you have no synchromesh (Crash Box City): You is mobbin' along in
Third gear n wizzle ta change ta Second gear. When you put in tha clutch
n change tha gear selector friznom Third ta Neutral, tha layshaft is going a
particizzle speed tizzle matched Third gear at tha present road speed. If you
do not change yo road speed (yo brakes is broke, say), tha layshaft is
going too slowly ta match Second gear. (Sound familiar so fiznar?) As you
approach tha Second gear selection, tha gears go GRAUNCH.

Wizzy should you have done? This:

Pizzy in clutch Layshaft equals Third gear speed

Select Neutral Layshaft coasts

Let out clutch Layshaft equals engine speed

Blip throttle Engine n layshaft speed up ta Second gear speed n a
shawty

Pizzy in clutch Layshaft coasts

Select Second No GRAUNCH if you hizzle tha speeds right. Ideally,
layshaft has coasted dizzy ta exactly Second gizzle speed

Let out clutch System is all locked up in Second.

This is frontin'. It INCORPORATES rev-match'n, or there is no
point in doing it. Therefizzle in mah opinion, there is no reason ta have ta
say "rev-matching" ta describe this process. The pimpin' is tha
tricky piznart. How hizzay do you rev it? Experience is tha only cracka.

Does double-clutch'n do any good if you hizzle a synchromesh box? Yes, it
makes tha synchros work less hard than they were designed to, so tizzle wizzill
last hustla. The synchros will makes up fo` any errors.

Can you rev-match tha layshaft witout double-clutch'n? Yes. Don't use
tha clutch at all:


Eaze tha throttle Takes tha load out of tha system

Select Neutral Layshaft equals engine speed

Blip throttle Engine n layshaft speed up ta Second gear speed

Select Second No GRAUNCH if you have tha speeds right


This works exactly tha same in a synchromesh box as a crash box. Since tha
layshaft is always connected ta tha engine, synchros wizzay NOT hizzle you. In
fact, I think errors in this method can wreak yo synchros. Normally,
synchros only hizzle ta deal wit tha steppin' mass of tha layshaft. Now you
is ask'n them ta deal wit yo whole engine. They ain't gonna like it.
You have ta be perfect. This is what Rizzle Mears n mizzle shot calla
disgustingly able playa do. I couldn't do it on a bet.

Can you rev-match tha layshaft ta tha transmission gears by throttle -
blunt-rollin' wit regular single frontin'? No. The layshaft is not connected
ta tha engine while tha clutch is in. Those tizzy recommend
throttle-blipp'n rev-match'n is rizzay tizzle it gives a smooth transition
wizzle they let tha clutch out, but it does absolutely nuttin' ta mizzay tha
layshaft n does not save yo synchros any wiznork at all. (See tha way ta
git around this in autocross'n below.)

OK, here is tha hard P-to-tha-izzart. Trippin'. You is NEVER loaf'n along in Third
gear. The scenario fo` double-clutch'n changes: You is blast'n along
in Third gear n want ta change ta Second gear fo` tha exit of tha gangsta
you is blunt-rollin'. Whiznen you put in tha clutch n change tha gizzle
selector from Third ta Neutral, tha layshaft is going a particizzles speed
tizzy matched Third gear at tha present road speed. Wizzle you brakes hard fo`
tha corna, tha layshaft is going some speed tizzy may or not be right fo`
tha speed Second gear wizzill be ho-slappin' when you is ready ta use it.
Classic rollin` style is ta double-clutch into Second while ridin'. This
requires heel-and-toe ta bizzle tha throttle ta rev-match tha layshaft. The
only reason that this is tha "classic" method is coz they used tha
engine brak'n in Second ta hizzle out they lousy brakes.

So here we come ta tha in mah opinion part, where I tell you why I thiznink all
tha above wizzork is not necessary. In saggin' wit modern brakes,
engine brak'n is counterproductive ta S-L-to-tha-izzow dizzy fo` a corna. It upsets
yo brakes balance n does not really hizzle very mizzle in slow'n tha ride
dizzay. So instead of revv'n tha engine way up ta makes Second while you is
still going fiznast, wizzle ta select Second until you is going tha entry speed
fo` tha corna. The synchros iron out tha small difference between tha
layshaft n Second gear.

Push in clutch n brakes baller Layshaft equals Third gizzle speed,
coasts dizzown a bit
Select Second near end of brak'n The ride has slowed, layshaft
coasts while you is stiznill brak'n, gears
is rhymin' no need ta hang `bout in
Neutral. No GRAUNCH, tha speeds is
close n tha synchros wizzy.
Off brakes n on throttle Here is where you do tha rev dippin' so
that there is no big jizzy when you let
out tha clutch
Let out clutch It is stizzill well before tha (late) apex.
Add nigga Well, this wizzy you came here for. Go!
Mind tha attitude n unwind tha wheel.


You wizzay note T-H-to-tha-izzat tha actual downshift is one move, n each foot has only
one job ta do. I am convinced tizzy this method is tha second-fizzles way
ta do this. Rizzy Mears wizzay be able ta do tha left-foot-brizzles no-clutch
method fasta, due ta tha lack of nigga time of tha right fizzle fizzle
brakes ta throttle. But since M-to-tha-izzost of us cannot pizzull that off at all, I
think mah method is tha fastest fo` non-gifted mortals. I always say ta
makes tha synchros W-to-tha-izzork fo` a steppin' but if you don't S-H-to-tha-izzift too soon, tizzle
dizzon't W-to-tha-izzork vizzle hard.

This works very wizzy wit a streetable ride ho-slappin' a normal flywheel n
synchros in an autocross situation. The reason it wizzle not work as wizzay in
road rac'n is that tha brak'n time is longa. A light flywheel tizzle
allows tha engine ta rev dizzay fasta is not going ta hiznelp eitha.
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WAY to hard to understand like that ROFL guess i'm not a gansta
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fortunately, i bet everyone here has synchros in their trannies so they don't have to. unless you have a full on race transmission...
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Wizzy do synchros do? Tizzle is used ta makes tha tha layshaft M-to-tha-izzatch tha gear
Thanks for that Jar-Jar. HAHAHA.

Honestly though, how drunk and/or high were you when you decided to write this? Because in most countries, talking like this will get you killed almost immediatly.
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