Why people Bash N/A so much - Tuner-Junction

DCxMagus · #1 (**permalink**) March 27th, 2006, 11:23 PM

Just wonder what the other N/A guys takes are on the hoards of people that will always reply with OMGZOR just turbo it's always the bestest! When I first got into cars Hardly anyone I knew would dare play with nitrous let alone a turbocharger, not it seems noone will take you seriously unless your are turbocharging.

Personally with the H22a4 I'm going all motor becuase I want to try and the car into the mid 13's all motor and have it be daily drivable and I know thats possiable. I know it will take work and probably a bit more cash to do it but hey I know I can do it 225whp-250whp shouldn't be too hard =P

mad-ass · #2 (**permalink**) March 27th, 2006, 11:31 PM

http://www.honda-acura.net/forums/sh...d.php?t=215702

2point6 is the man.

Blake · #3 (**permalink**) March 27th, 2006, 11:47 PM

different strokes for different folks.

personally i find it kinda pointless to drive a 500whp FWD car on the streets. And going fast in a straight line is only part of my build. Not only will i be goin straight, i will also be taking corners. Cant exit make a clean exit out of a corner with a car that is just gonna spin the tires.

Ricky · #4 (**permalink**) March 28th, 2006, 12:26 AM

what ever you wanna do do it. I get annoyed at people who making fun of people that spray. OH BUT HES CHEATING ITS NITROUS.

DCxMagus · #5 (**permalink**) March 28th, 2006, 12:27 AM

I'll be sparying once I get the car to 200whp N/A

fwdtamiya · #6 (**permalink**) March 28th, 2006, 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by mad-ass

http://www.honda-acura.net/forums/sh...d.php?t=215702

2point6 is the man.

I just looked through all his threads and it's pathetic. Is all of HAN like that(body kits, DC>Jesus)?

Slipjack · #7 (**permalink**) March 28th, 2006, 12:46 PM

Yeah. Most of them are actually fairly nice people. But their general outlook on tuning differs greatly from TJ and SHO. Mostly it's Form > Function, which is just backwards to me. Of course, some members are an exception.

When I was a n00b I went there first. I pulled a classic newbie move and asked "what should I do first?". To my surprise, some of the responses included "heads, tails, fogs, and a wing." [sarcasm]Yeah, that'll get me into 15 seconds [/sarcasm]

Jree$e · #8 (**permalink**) March 28th, 2006, 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by DCxMagus

Just wonder what the other N/A guys takes are on the hoards of people that will always reply with OMGZOR just turbo it's always the bestest! When I first got into cars Hardly anyone I knew would dare play with nitrous let alone a turbocharger, not it seems noone will take you seriously unless your are turbocharging.

Personally with the H22a4 I'm going all motor becuase I want to try and the car into the mid 13's all motor and have it be daily drivable and I know thats possiable. I know it will take work and probably a bit more cash to do it but hey I know I can do it 225whp-250whp shouldn't be too hard =P

i think alot of people look at it as the whp you get for the money you spend. Its seems like so many think more whp is better. Oh well, do what makes you happy. Personally I'd like to keep my car N/a for that same reasons you have listed.

DCxMagus · #9 (**permalink**) March 28th, 2006, 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by yellowrexsi

Try being a supercharger guy. I'm hated by both all motor guys and turbo guys

see that never really made sense to me and I was a turbo guy before

Most people that are "all about" turbo and thats the only way hang on to that one fact that it is technically free power. Also the fact that with a good size turbo kit turbo lag is nearly none but they don't realize the down side of both those things. So when you go into the realm of supercharging and you do have a parasitic loss thru a charger they automatically think oh thats dumb I can do the same thing for free. I always liked the idea of a supercharger becuase you can have instant huge amounts of power instead of waiting for spool on a big turbo kit. N/A I know isn't the best way to get gobs of power but this time around I want a really nice balanced car and then when I do go to the strip I have the nitrous for when I need the straight line power. I just gotta watch myself on the bottle though I'll be using it alot the first week I get it haha

DCxMagus · #10 (**permalink**) March 28th, 2006, 08:58 PM

yeah I know thats why before I put it in I want to make sure the car can handle its own all motor and use it as only a "last resort" type thing istead of basing MOST the cars power on it. The motor will be built before I throw nitrous on or I will never get anything done ROFL but before anything suspension in about 3-4 weeks I'll be able to order my Tein Flex's =P

DCxMagus · #11 (**permalink**) March 28th, 2006, 09:06 PM

yeah my saturn I turbo'd was only fun in a straight line, the prelude I want to be fun and to be able to handle Turns and S's and extra fun in the straights

macbasq · #12 (**permalink**) March 28th, 2006, 09:24 PM

going fast on N/A is expensive to do right. it's also more difficult to reap the rewards from it. most of the people on these boards are probably lazy slobs who are only concerned with putting down big numbers. even if you poorly tune a turbo engine, big numbers can still be put down.

i agree with blake - what's the point of having all that power if you can't harness it properly? why, for bragging rights of course.

sloganish · #13 (**permalink**) March 29th, 2006, 11:33 AM

NA>BOOST BOOST=faster than na

WVUiMpOrTrAcEr · #14 (**permalink**) March 29th, 2006, 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by yellowrexsi

Nitrous is fun. but it can get expensive in a hurry

hey man what's up it's wvu97gs-r

WVUiMpOrTrAcEr · #15 (**permalink**) March 29th, 2006, 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by yellowrexsi

Sup, glad you made it :hug:

werdageness

ThirdLane · #16 (**permalink**) April 10th, 2006, 02:01 PM

building an NA motor is hard and gets expensive in a hurry. Theres a formula out there (its BS but it makes sense) for every 10hp increase NA its gonna cost you about a $1000 as compared to 60-100hp increase with a relatively cheap turbo system you can piece together yourself for 1500-2000 dollars. most high hp NA cars I've had the chance to drive was really difficult and frustrating to drive on the street, given the fact that there peak power comes so much higher in the rev band and couple that with basically useless torque, a high power NA car is useless on the street. people are not willing spend there time driving in the near redline all the time so that they can get the effects of there NA engine. Boosting yields a more linear power band and its helluva lot more fun hearing the snail whine and the whistling noise from the wastegate and finally the whoosh of the bov is intoxicating. but like the previous post said, different strokes for different folks. but if you live at high altitude, I recommed going with boost.

DCxMagus · #17 (**permalink**) April 10th, 2006, 07:04 PM

see I want to plan my NA build so the power is all over the power band more so then just in the high RPMS, that and I'm not going for stupidily high numbers I want a more balanced fun street car then something I can walk aorund saying I have 4031849023842098whp none of which can be used becuase I'm burning out through 5th gear all the time.

Emerald99 · #18 (**permalink**) May 16th, 2006, 10:37 AM

I'm about to jump in on the NA fun, what I like about NA is that it SEEMS like a LOT more planning goes into it. It's almost like an art, and sounds like it can be a great hobby. I have enough cash to work it through at a nice pace, just wish I had more time

As far as people bashing it goes, it's because people understand that bolt-ons don't do sh#t (w/ most na motors). And that's what noobs and such associate with NA. That, and numbers

rice ratio. No one really thinks "i wonder how usable 750 whp is in a prelude"

That being said, I think it's a good idea to just enjoy getting to know your car, and the hobby as a whole if you're going to jump into NA, since we're basically paying for our satisfaction here.

SamHatesLag · #19 (**permalink**) May 17th, 2006, 09:55 AM

people bash N/A simply because bang for buck turbo gives bigger results, mind you this isnt taking response or reliability into account, its all about the numbers.

Personally I love the torque of turbos

Clone · #20 (**permalink**) May 17th, 2006, 04:42 PM

there's ups and downs to every form of power adder... and really it's just personal preference. People are stupid, and they're always gonna hate on the things they dont like. I mean, I hate things like Pokemon... and make fun of just about everyone I see whos into it. But that doesn't mean there's not something cool about it, otherwise it wouldn't exist and so many people wouldn't like it... I just dont see what that cool thing is.

Same thing goes for turbos, S/Cs, N/As, and nitrous... it all depends. I've used lots of nitrous on my prelude, and I'll probably stick with minor N/A work on my S... maybe someday I'll buy an Integra and boost it... who knows. Either way, it's personal preference as to which route you go... cause there really is no "single best way" to do anything in the automotive world... there's always options.