retro's thoughts on head...and other things - build thread.

[yardy8301]

they only way i would put an h in my car is if i was balling and could afford to build and boost it right then and there.

[street_accord94]

there's a doctor on HT that custom made his own SC from a pontiac grand prix blower...it required a bit of ingenuity, but if you really want to have it super'd, I say have at it.

Or just tranny swap and boost what you already have...since the drivetrain is still good you'll be able to put down quite a bit of power stock block, and after a build with a bit of headwork 350whp is feasible, something to think about.


edit: If you wouldn't mind Marc, could you keep it to this one build thread for the future? Thanks

[HondaGuy1122]

Originally Posted by street_accord94

edit: If you wouldn't mind Marc, could you keep it to this one build thread for the future? Thanks

and joo can shut le fujk up ok?


edit: if you wouldn't mind kevin, eat a penor. Oh i kid...i am teh kideeng.

[Retroshark]

lol i know theres a lot of issues between going with an h22 or not, but really, i need to get the 5spd swap done. i also need to get some more power. for a 5spd swap alone, it would probably cost me about 900 and ill be making maybe a few more hp than now. for another 1100 i could have another 50-60hp plus the 5spd. but then again, i guess with 1100, i could start building a turbo setup. hmm. maybe i will just do that 5spd swap and then think about more power. either way, if i had a 5spd, id be able to jsut drop the new motor in and only have to buy the block. either way, id go with an h22 tranny. its just a matter of getting one.

damn. i hate you guys thinking logically. now im reconsidering the whole thing. maybe turbo would be a better route, or even turbo plus a head swap and buildup a G motor... i guess if i did build a turbo setup, i could do the work up at college. turbo parts are easy to install with minimal tools compared to an engine. a head swap could also be easy. maybe ill do a head swap and IM swap this summer and then work from there...

ill let you guys know.

[street_accord94]

if you really want to go turbo, you might be better off picking up a prelude si tranny since you won't run out of gearing as fast, yet it will still be closer than the f23 trans

Accord Manual Transmission Ratios
it might be worth a look see

[njn63]

auto+turbo.

Do it.

This reminds me, i wanted to start a post about that.

[street_accord94]

Originally Posted by njn63

auto+turbo.

Do it.

i dont recommend that since the 6th gens have an inherently weak auto tranny that craps the bed on its own (way too many getting replaced)

[Retroshark]

hey could you change the title of this thread to soemthing else since im not gonan start another build thread.

"dont be fooled by the head that i got, ive still got an f series block... retros official build thread"


lol

so now im doing a g motor buildup and im possibly ordering the head this week! shoudl be a fairly new h22 head and throttle body. im gonna get a skunk2 intake manifold and just pick up a stock h22 header and throttle body unless i can get the skunk2 throttle cheap. thats gonan be the jumping off point.

im going to tune it with a VAFCII and get it running smooth to start with, when ive done it, im gonna get an h22/23 tranny depending on the price, and then the other 5spd parts.

eventually ill get back to buying turbo parts, possibly once im back at college and know what my finances are gonna be like.


this is not going to change from now on, so forget the h22 swap.


updates to come in teh next two days:

1) stereo installation pt.1 and pt.2
2) exhaust shortening
3) possible purchase of h22 head

[Ricky]

Originally Posted by street_accord94

i dont recommend that since the 6th gens have an inherently weak auto tranny that craps the bed on its own (way too many getting replaced)

thats most honda trannies lol. The 5th gen auto can supposedly hold a conservative set up for awhile but it will eventually go. Some guy on accord tuner that we met at a local meet was on his 2nd or third accord tranny. i remember he told me yeah I could do a manual swap for 1k but its been 2 years and im still ahead with 400 in new trannys lmao

Originally Posted by street_accord94

if you really want to go turbo, you might be better off picking up a prelude si tranny since you won't run out of gearing as fast, yet it will still be closer than the f23 trans

Accord Manual Transmission Ratios
it might be worth a look see

yeah I think we went through this conversation with each other on aim and we figured out you could probably get into the high 15s with a h23 tranny and a good driver lol.

Originally Posted by Retroshark

lol i know theres a lot of issues between going with an h22 or not, but really, i need to get the 5spd swap done. i also need to get some more power. for a 5spd swap alone, it would probably cost me about 900 and ill be making maybe a few more hp than now. for another 1100 i could have another 50-60hp plus the 5spd. but then again, i guess with 1100, i could start building a turbo setup. hmm. maybe i will just do that 5spd swap and then think about more power. either way, if i had a 5spd, id be able to jsut drop the new motor in and only have to buy the block. either way, id go with an h22 tranny. its just a matter of getting one.

damn. i hate you guys thinking logically. now im reconsidering the whole thing. maybe turbo would be a better route, or even turbo plus a head swap and buildup a G motor... i guess if i did build a turbo setup, i could do the work up at college. turbo parts are easy to install with minimal tools compared to an engine. a head swap could also be easy. maybe ill do a head swap and IM swap this summer and then work from there...

ill let you guys know.

I mean really it all boils down to what you want and how much effort you want to put in. If you want to go out of your way to do a s/c set up and a h22 swap its going to cost you alot of money and you will probably still be slower then the turbo accord. If I were you I would say fuck it do the manual swap and throw in a h23. Boost the F and then drive the boosted f around. Lenny drove on the stock clutch for awhile boosted. From a roll he was pretty fast but from the dig it just wansnt happening so Id get a new clutch and while your at it a flywheel. Lenny was keeping up with g35s with a stock clutch on the highway but when he went to the track he was only pulling 17.2 once he replaced the clutch he got into the 14s and was running decent times. F series turbo is the way to go. I mean what do you want to do spend all this money and run mid to high 15s or spend around the same amount of money and run mid to high 14s? A secound is a big difference and you will have plenty of room to grow if you peice a good kit together. Once you out grow the power on the accord then you can start looking into building the engine and then turn up the boost.

[street_accord94]

title changed

im with ricky...boost what you got and swap teh trans. the only thing to add is if you are dead set on a head swap an h23/f22b might be worth a look aswell. you wont have vtec and it wont flow quite as well, but it is a step up from an f23 head. boosted f's boot

[Retroshark]

well wouldnt an h22 head flow better than both the f22 and the h23 plus it has vtec? i mean, when it comes down to it, itll probably all cost around the same for a head, and id raather get the h22 because im looking inot the skunk2 pro series intake manifold and throttle body as well.

[mad-ass]

Ok, everytime I look at your threads, Retro, it just makes it seem like you have not done enough searches for your project/plans or you just have no fucking idea wth is going on.

you got the basics down, that's good, but little things that were said is what makes one seem like a person whom has no idea wth they are talking about.

for instence, when you swap the suspention and drop the car more, unless you are tire tucking, you don't have to have your fenders rolled. My friend with 2004 RSX-S Trubo is sitting on Tein basic coils and his rims all around have about 3mm of space from fenders and has been for past two years. his setting is so stiff, it'll brake my back when he takes a corner at 35 mph with out touching the brakes. Thanks to LSD he has

and on the side note as C35 swap was mentioned, it's not easy gettings the right parts to put the motor in as you need different motor/transmission mounts. and C35 is from Acura MDX, 250hp one.

meh..everything you are doing to your car, I had the same plans for it long ago when I still had my accord. good luck with the build.

[chris_s14]

Originally Posted by mad-ass

and on the side note as C35 swap was mentioned, it's not easy gettings the right parts to put the motor in as you need different motor/transmission mounts. and C35 is from Acura MDX, 250hp one.

the mdx has a J35

[mad-ass]

Originally Posted by chris_s14

the mdx has a J35

I knew i was going to fall from a tree soon or later, but what i was talking about is J35 of course..

ok, not I remembered what C35c is...

really waste of a engine....

[Blake]

what do you plan on using to tune with?

[chris_s14]

Originally Posted by mad-ass

I knew i was going to fall from a tree soon or later, but what i was talking about is J35 of course..

ok, not I remembered what C35c is...

really waste of a engine....

ok carry on then

[Ricky]

Originally Posted by Blake

what do you plan on using to tune with?

crome or uberdata ftw, you dont need all that fancy crap

[mad-ass]

hondata is cool...but uber is cool too..so is chrome...

[street_accord94]

Originally Posted by mad-ass

hondata is cool...but uber is cool too..so is chrome...

bling bling

crome ftw

[mad-ass]

Originally Posted by street_accord94

bling bling

crome ftw

they should black chrome their component covers!!

damn..that shill will be hella fucking bling bling pimping dude!